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And the accountability frames, about the responsibility and accountability of people who hire illegal immigrants and needing to hold those people accountable. >> on that question -- >> and the reality, chris, you've got 12 million people here. there's a practical reality about what we'll do with them. >> let me give you a practical question, one answer, yes or no. should this compromise the democrats' push for include a checkable id card? yes or no? >> maybe. >> what? >> that is exactly the problem. todd, your witness. that's exactly why the democrats will not win on this issue no, guts, no ca...

President obama has put more troops on the borders than we've ever had before, and i think it's fair to talk about, again, as president obama did last week in terms of the responsibility and the accountability frames, about the responsibility and accountability of people who hire illegal immigrants and needing to hold those people accountable. >> on that question -- >> and the reality, chris, you've got 12 million people here. there's a practical reality about what we're going to do with them. >> let me give you a practical question, one answer, yes or no. should this compromise the democrats'...

You're telling me you're a goo-goo. i thought you were a political strategist. give me the political strategy, not who is right and wrong. how does a democrat win in a big state where illegal immigration is a hot issue? tell me how to do it. >> you go to your voters and you say i agree. the laws are broken. we need to fix our immigration system. if you're barbara boxer or you're harry reid, you can say and you know what, i've been ready to be a part of fixing this problem for years, and it's actually the republicans who have stood in the way of progress in getting this done. that's what you sa...