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Of these cases is that the legal accountability process can be a long journey for families, and that must be very frustrating. >> now, speaking of texas, there is a tight race there in the senate. listen to democratic candidate beto o'rourke during a debate with senator ted cruz. >> african-americans represent 13% of the population in this country and yet they represent one-third of those who are shot by law enforcement. we have something wrong. if we have the largest prison population on the face of the planet and it is disproportionately comprised of people of color, we have something wrong ...

Not sure she believes her husband. not that we want to know anything about their marriage. >> and the fact that she made a statement says a lot, because she doesn't come out like that the fact is that the mayor ran the city for eight years, he's been in his own business, he now -- >> was he like that? >> no. no. i mean i would love to see the old rudy as i've said before. i don't recognize this person. >> what do you make of this change? >> i think that he is used to calling the shots. he likes being in the spotlight again. and he's not used to answering to somebody else. this is what rudy wou...

Send it for further investigation. all those things stay in place. really what's happening is these are just reforms to this ethics committee and a lot of these reforms were brought forward on a bipartisan basis when democrats on the other side of the aisle. >> martha: sounds like you are changing your tune. are you in favor of the dissolving the independent entity? >> it won't be dissolved. i wasn't in favor of moving forward because i thought we should take it by itself in a bipartisan manner. people on both sides support the reform. >> martha: it will be inside the congress rather than outs...

Habit i might say it now and i'm reminded again, but unfortunately, you're reminded through cases like this. where you see it's anything but routine. an officer stops someone, apparently noted something was amiss, because they called for backup and now you have two people dead. so certainly a very dangerous job. and you know now it will move forward where there will be an accountability process and that accountability process starts today in terms of the court appearance when they're brought before the judge, and bail is set and ultimately a grand jury convenes for an indictment. >> and of cou...

Congress. he earned himself the name "dr. no." it was fitting. he was constantly trying to root out corruption and waste. there is so much of it. we talked about this. are you shocked about the report? i think we would be shocked if an agency of this size is running efficiently. >> watching accountability process, and hearings on capitol hill. to hear secretary jeh johnson appear and not answer a single question straightforwardly directly, what do you make of that? why do we tolerate such responses from our executive department? >> or non-responses as you're talking about. he is either in a po...