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If i'm gingrich, i'll cut my own pathway. he knows he can't afford the screw-ups and the slip-ups, so i think you're going to see a steadier but quick campaign by gingrich. i think the romney folks will have to mix it up a little bit if they really want that fumble to occur. >> let's look at this from the other side of the field. governor rendell, you're looking at these two guys. there they are. they have track records. based upon their track records and the current momentum swing, who's winning this thing? it's all going to be over, by the way. look, we're talking about the 3rd of january no...

Are you sexually attracted to young boys, to under aged boys? >> am i sexually attracted to under aged boys? sexually attracted, you know, i enjoy young people. i love to be around them. i -- i -- but no, i'm not sexually attracted to young boys. >> we're back. it was former penn state assistant coach jerry sandusky in an interview with bob costas of nbc last month struggling to answer whether he was attracted to young boys. in an interview with "the new york times," he goes farther when discussing the costas question. his attorney amendola stes in. let's watch this disturbing comment by him. ...

Of evidence there of premeditation, of deliberation, a long standing effort to shape these boys up for his purposes? all the wooing and giving them little treats and favors and it's almost like the long term sort of growing whatever, a relationship, for a purpose of sexual gratification. it looks like. that's what's going on here. >> well, i mean, there's no question. i mean, he was, like, the spider and he's attracting these kids into this web. golf clubs, computers, $50 to get marijuana. these are big gifts to kids who are impoverished. you know, sneakers. attract them in, attract them in, g...

>> and when you start to do that, you don't care about who governs then. if you don't care about government, why not michele bachmann or herman cain? why not? >> anyway, i don't think they like government or leadership or politics, really, politics, they don't like democratic government. they don't like having a leader. they like to bring -- these are guys who tear down statues, they don't put them up. anyway, thank you, howard, fineman. >> david answered my question. >> glad to do that. >> glad we got to it. thank you. coming up, as the republican race boils down to a two-man fight, it look...

Debase the nature of politics. and i think that's a very corrosive thing. >> but they've also lost control. you know, their policy agenda is to debase government. you know, to discredit government. >> they don't want a leader. >> and when you start to do that, you don't care about who governs then. if you don't care about government, why not michele bachmann or herman cain? why not? >> anyway, i don't think they like government or leadership or politics, really, politics, they don't like democratic government. they don't like having a leader. they like to bring -- these are guys who tear down ...