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And i wish i could have convicted him on first degree murder, but i couldn't. >> well, that's exactly what she said. and i thought the most interesting question is the race question. whenever the jurors are asked did race play a factor, they all say no. well, i think the wrong question is being asked because a jury is going to think when you ask that question did you convict or acquit dunn because of his race, and of course they're all going to say no to that. but if you say to them do you think his fear was a greater fear because there were black kids in the next car as opposed to if there we...

In danger. reasonable may mean overreaction in some people's minds. do you think this is why the jury could not decide to convict or acquit dunn on the first-degree murder charge? is it the way the law is written. >> i disagree with the premise of the question. being reasonable and overreacting are two different things. we learn in law school that the reasonable standard is an objective standard. now, i'll certainly concede that we have the worst justice system. >> some might look at dunn's testimony and say, oh, my gosh, he overreacted. other people might say he acted reasonably. it is diffic...