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You're the head of all the intelligence agencies and the fbi is one of those agencies, senator? just unbelievable. and he does actually call the fbi and ask them if they have looked into this -- this was a crazy conspiracy theory regarding anterum county in michigan, their voting machines being controlled out of europe. i mean totally nuts stuff. you expect it to be out there, but not to be something that the president of the united states is asking the top intelligence official in the u.s. government to act on. >> and we should note, again this comes across in your account and in others, obse...

Investigates. that's not our thing. >> well, can you please ask the fbi director -- trying to say please, but he asked him to ask the fbi director to look into this. and there's a reason why he's asking genre flip to do this, because the president is not on speaking terms with his own fbi director chris way, because he wanted to fire him. so he's asking him to look into it, and ray said it's not only my thing. and trump actually says to him, but you're the dni, it ahead of all the intelligence agencies, and the fbi is one of those agencies. just unbelievable, and he doesn't actually call the f...

Gains that we have made this week. and there's a great book called "outside money in school board elections." that seems to be the venue and not just talking about education and those culture wars but when it's infused with politics and then racialized, that's going to be a battleground that's going to continue to be important for the next year, two years, and we need to be there too. we need to be everywhere and amplify those new voices. >> yeah, i mean, donny, i've not seen democrats acting as much on offense as they've certainly have the right to act on. and i spend a lot of time on this sh...

Around a conspiracy so fringe it's rejected by even some of the most devout qanon promoters. and it's funny but not funny haha. what are we supposed to think about the fact that a group of people can mobilize effectively in decent numbers around such an extreme conspiracy theory about donald trump's presumed return to power, something that is so -- that is so on the outer fringes of those kinds of conspiratorial beliefs that even the people in the middle of those conspiracy theories consider it too nuts to act on. joining us now is ben collins, a senior reporter for nbc news. he covers disinfo...

Donald trump's presumed return to power? something that is so on the outer fringes of those kinds of conspiratorial beliefs, that even people in the middle of those conspiracy theories considerate enough to act on. joining us now is bin collins, he's a senior reporter for enes bc, he color this information and -- thanks for being here i really appreciate you making time. >> thank you. >> it is easy to sort of point and drop your jaw and be agog at this. but i feel like one of the -- i feel like you've been smart about how our fellow americans. and these are people who are politically engaged i...