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Was not included was something like conspiracy against the united states, that kind of a charge because the substance of the indictment is directly about collusion with wikileaks >> i'm not surprised because this is act two, so i think act one was the indictment of the 12 russian intelligence officers for trying to throw the election to donald trump. act two now is the information that's important is how open and receptive the trump campaign organization was to receive the criminal matters from russia, stolen e-mails, and how roger stone lied to congress about the trump campaign's organization...

And act two potentially is the indictment of roger stone. act three is going to be dramatic if it happens. >> well, and let me say this. they understand, giuliani has said this. he views this as entirely a political proceeding and not a legal one. so he is doing something that is outside the bounds of legal procedure. >> he is saying that, he is a lawyer. he still needs to abide by the rules. >> thank you for joining me. testimony about manafort's action while serving in the trump campaign. that story in two minutes. this isn't just any moving day.

Somebody did. >> chris, these guys -- >> i was going to say. >> this is a different proceeding. there is a trial going on now and going to be others and that is clearly what they are doing, poison the well of the american public jury pool. >> and these guys, they don't need to be on tv. they need to be preparing him for whatever eventuality. he is running scared and that is related to the first part of the segment, roger stone. act one was this indictment of the russians for hacking the e-mail. and act two potentially is the indictment of roger stone. act three is going to be dramatic if it ha...

Baker, jeffrey goldberg, also senior adviser at the center for strategic and international studies, juan zarate, a senior national security analyst for nbc news and msnbc. so now jeffrey that we have gone from act one at 6:00 was horror, shock, and act two now we're trying to laugh a little bit about it. >> act three is building the wall between canada and the united states which will be a very expensive wall. very, very long. >> it will be a beautiful wall. and let me tell you something -- >> with maple syrup taps in the wall. >> we'll make the canadians pay for it. but there will be taps in ...

More than 20 years ago -- virtually every case has followed the same pattern. with the accused official at first insisting he did nothing seriously wrong. san diego's bob filner drive him from office. >> it concerns me greatly that anybody would make any charge like that against anybody. >> reporter: the problem with denials like that of toronto mayor rob ford. >> i do not use crack cocaine. >> reporter: is they come before act three, the confession. >> yes, i smoked crack cocaine. >> reporter: kil patrick confessed in 2008 and went to jail after misusing his office, sexting, obstructing offic...