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And as well as a legal judgment by the office of legal counsel, explaining why this didn't necessarily have to be reported to the congressional committee. i want to ask about rieu city giuliani. you mentioned -- rudy giuliani. we talked about this this week. the president clearly kind of -- he was operating as a sort of independent envoy, on tv all the time, trying to get a meeting with ukrainians, trying to press this biden story, reckless behavior? >> well, look, i think one thing that's important here is that rudy giuliani is a private lawyer. okay. and while he was open about what he was d...

And as well as a legal judgment by the office of legal counsel, explaining why this didn't necessarily have to be reported to the congressional committee. i want to ask about rieu city giuliani. you mentioned -- rudy giuliani. we talked about this this week. the president clearly kind of -- he was operating as a sort of independent envoy, on tv all the time, trying to get a meeting with ukrainians, trying to press this biden story, reckless behavior? >> well, look, i think one thing that's important here is that rudy giuliani is a private lawyer. okay. and while he was open about what he was d...