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President trump has been told maybe this is not the right time that mulvaney knows so much that you don't necessarily want to alienate him. >> that's a point here that i think all is worthwhile to note. from the point of view of the courts and precedent about who can and cannot be subpoenaed by congress, there is quite a distinctiv distinctive between acting and foreign members. mulvaney would render his ability to contest weakened, right? >> that's an excellent point. the white house has pretty much stonewalled the entire investigation. but they've said no acting official can testify. because...

Officials atop the department of homeland security and deputy secretary of homeland security post and in the position of acting administrator overseeing fema. what do we know about those officials? >> so peter gainer is currently the administrator at fema. that's probably a name most of your viewers ever heard of before. he replaced brock long last year. this will be his first hurricane season. by all accounts he's one of those longtime government emergency response managers who has done this before and who is, by all accounts, someone who is seen as quite competent in this role. that said, he...

Is going to be under review what took place in na institution and why. although we can presume some of the why is going to be associated with short faus in staffing and costs. >> and whatever as you say, whatever that picture looks like, whether there's going to be accountability, it's the job of the attorney general and the president to say the buck stops here. the reassignments may not be a necessary corrective. i think that's in the mix. as of tonight, mr. barr has not taken full responsibility. he left this acting official in charge confident whole bureau of prisons. the deputy position va...

Victims. he became a distraction to the president. he became a distraction to the administration, and he had to go. and that's what this came down to. this was never about taking account or taking responsibility for the poor law enforcement decision he made. what that leads to and to piggyback on what was said at the top of the segment, we have another major cabinet led by an acting official -- so you have departments of labor. >> yeah. >> homeland security and the deputy, the defense department, and the deputy. 9 whose chief of staff. the weekend as we go into custom raids oren forcement, cus...

Command, the decision making, the response with regards to iran now going to change considering the president's nominee, mark esper officially taking the helm? >> yeah, that's a really good question, and i think, you know, potentially under the obama administration, a logical assumption, patrick shanahan was a civilian leader. sometimes when you're an acting official, your word and decision making carries left heft, you would think es pper, trump's opinion as commander in chief, he is the ultimate decision maker here, and i think that the process, the deliberation process and things like, you ...