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Don mcgann, the white house counsel recused, and he's been involved in this matter. so any claim that rod rosenstein has done something important would have to sweep don mcgann or reince priebus or any of the individuals who have had some involvement substantively in the investigation to recuse. because the recusal obligation is one not of participating, which means even sitting in a meeting or deliberating or offering a recommendation or just simply being there, if rod rosenstein had to recuse, then don mcgann would not be able to give any advice to the president or even sit in on any briefin...

>> for cara l -- >> "pope: the most powerful man in history" concludes tonight here at 10:00. still to come, the question on whether the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein should recuse himself from the mueller investigation. that's been flying around washington for months, really increasing in intensity this week. and now we have exclusive new information on action rosenstein took regarding his future overseeing the russia probe. you're live in the "cnn newsroom." you know their name, you don't know their whole story. >> sometimes they say, i dream things that never were and say why n...

Let's not forget that rosenstein was the one who turned around and appointed a special counsel. it would be very hard for anybody to argue that he interfered with the investigation into the attempt to shut it down and then immediately turned around and appointed a special counsel who has far more sweeping authority and cover to go after the administration. in contrast, they admitted publicly that his intent was to shut down the russian investigation. so i don't think they are similarly situated at all. >> walter schaub, always good to have your expertise. thank you for laying it out for us. ...

Ethics, walter schaub. walter, thank you for being with us. our lord jarrett is reporting over the course of the mueller investigation, rosenstein has discussed with a doj ethics adviser whether he should recuse himself. and he apparently has followed the advice he was given. does that give him more legitimacy then to stay on? should it quiet his critics? >> well, of course it does. there's a reason we have government ethics officials. and there's a reason the government ethics program exists. in fact, the standards of conduct for employees of the executive branch, specifically provides that i...

From the family of president h.w. bush. barbara bush is not well this weekend. her health, we are told, is failing. and they are honoring mrs. bush's choice to remain home instead of seeking care at a hospital. we have this just in to the white house. the white house releasing a statement about mrs. bush with sarah sander saysing, quote, the president's and first lady's prayers are with all of the bush family during this time." and there's a growing course calling for the recusal rather than the firing of deputy attorney general rod rosenstein. rosenstein is special counsel robert mueller's ...