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To be standing up to the heritage action wing that says no. let's hold everything hostage forever. >> yes and no. i mean, but i don't think the conservatives really gave up too much here. in fact, they got even more deficit reduction with this baby bargain plan. so, yes, he is showing a little bit more courage. i think mainstream republicans have shown more courage since the elections. everybody is sort of realizing that there was an election. and the far right sticking with him is not always the best idea. so -- but we're still such a long way, you know, from getting back to filling the funda...

Ever since. it is a request that he has finished at the heritage foundation. the heritage foundation that demint took over was and is very different than the one that produced that health care policy paper all those years ago. it is one where the think tank wing has taken a back seat to the political action wing, something called heritage action. it's heritage action with its legislative score cards serving as measurements of conservative purity that set a radical goal this year. the end of obama care through the shutting down of the federal government in the threat of a debt-ceiling default. ...