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Now, maybe the activist base has, maybe a lot of primary voters have, but i think that the broader polls indicate there are a lot more traditional democrats who rather than, you know, throwing out our entire health care system with the so-called medicare for all, government-run, single-payer health care system really want to have improvements and repairs made to the affordable care act as joe biden has been talking about. paul: but here's the other question though just in terms of the election in 2020, could donald trump be scaring enough democrats into maybe making a very pragmatic decision a...

And that headline that said i was born to be in this, in the article i was attempting to say that i felt my calling was in public service. no one is born to be president of the yates of america -- the united states of america, least of all me. paul: karl rove is a former senior adviser to president george w. bush. before i give you a chance to go after beto, i want to talk to you about joe biden, because you predicted a while ago that biden was going to be stronger than a lot of people thought. and sure enough, he's showing remarkable strength. i think it's the biggest story of the campaign so...

Democrats and republicans. let's wait for that report, and we'll see whether impeachment is the way to go nancy pelosi has said no impeachment. van, what do you think the 2020 candidates should do with this? should they stay clear talking about the mueller report? >> you have two very different sets of democrats have you to appeal to. have you to appeal to the activist base that's fired up they're going to want to hear those candidates saying, we want trump not to get away with thisp. you have the actual party. as you see people going out there. no one is asking about bob mueller, russia. they...

Activist base of the party is, which is more progressive. >> right, and that's problematic for him. he needs to come out strong and say what do i support. do i support the new green deal? do i support medicare for all? these are questions that people wanting to know from him and he's been a little murky there. he is going to enter into a race that's far different from 2012 when he was in there with barack obama, so he needs to be the candidate for the moment. that's going to be the biggest test for him. >> emily glazer, eli stokels, amie parnes, thank you. one of biden's biggest opponents is...

Activist base. we do, as well. we've invested a lot in political fights. we have a lot of leverage over members of congress. we're going to go to the members we work with and we're going to say look, this is an important issue. and if you don't follow through on actually reining in some of these wars we're going to hold you accountable in the 2020 election. based on the tens of millions of dollars that vote vets and concerned veterans for america has spent over the years in these elections, it's pretty clear when we say something, we're going to follow through on it. >> i have to ask you both ...