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Again this is what they do, and this is their big act. but mr. phillips himself, i mean he keeps kind of passing himself off as a vietnam vet but when you talk to vietnam vets who served in vietnam and they're very sensitive. i spoke to one in particular, i wish he could come on the show, maybe he will tomorrow, who was not happy about that. it's a big difference. and marines take it very seriously, not to disrespect any service, but marines take that particular phraseology very seriously, go which i did not know until today the other thing i'm not going to join the pity parade. this guy is ...