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The right place to hash that out is in the courts, which is where it is now. it shouldn't be decided by name calling and tweets and insults. it should be decided by people presenting their argument and a judge thinking over this judge obviously is looking at it overnight so recognizes it's a serious issue. and it will ultimately be resolved. if the trial courts' decision is something one party or another disagrees with, it will go to the court of appeals. that's a very ordinarily process that's appropriate. >> that is an orderly process that you described. it's not what is happening, though, b...

Held a press availability and announced a hiring freeze and essentially an activity freeze to for the agency and talking about ms. english, she didn't show up today. and in regular business life that would mean you didn't have a job when you come back the next day. the white house is not pursuing this in an orderly -- in the kind of orderly fashion that you just described. does that change the calculus as far as you're concerned about how to decide this position? >> i can't read the minds of the people in the white house, but essentially as i said, i think the law is pretty clear on this. it s...