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>> he's a better and softer and gentler tone. remember, he's a member of the screen actor skill. he knows what he's doing. he plays his side to one and he plays the other side. you really don't know what he believes in because he only believe believes in donald trump. >> i don't think he's antimuslims or antimexicans. >> if we are able to remove trump and have pence as president, we can have that debate for him. >> he's an ideology. >> we can win the debate with him >> he's vice president of the united states grinding at the guy. he wanted them to say great three more times >> maybe pence had ...