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That discovered oil in north dakota. not something most people can identify with. >> right, but he -- so did donald trump earlier. >> trump was absurd. trump comes in there, nobody's there in the morning, of course, to see him. a problem in both problems if you have it, authenticity. i think rom sney is a business guy, teaching others how to do it. a philosophy based on his own practice of making money and wants to keep the american system very much like it was when they made all this money. pretty simple. when he talks philosophical beliefs, this stuff, come on. we don't believe it. i want to...

This ad-lib comment came out of his mouth. >> i fought against deep odds in a deep blue state, but i was a severely conservative republican governor. >> those words do not strike me as authentic. severely conservative. what is that? painfully? >> what does that mean? >> disgustingly? what does it mean? >> these guys -- >> is he authentic? >> he does what he has to do to win. >> yes. >> so do other people. >> you don't think obama's authentic? >> i think -- >> i think obama wins with what he is. your thoughts, joe. i think it's authenticity. i think romney up there, you put him on a sodium pede...