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>> thank you for having us. >> margery, as we saw, hillary m that ad and obama camp outraged. why is this different? >> it's not the different and the fact of the matter is, this is politics as usual, how campaigns are run. somebody runs an ad showcasing what they've done and the other one saying, shock and awe they would actually use one of their accomplishments as something to run on. we've seen it with republicans and democrats and actually between mccain and romney, something after each other about how strong they were on national security, how strong they were going to be on osama bin lad...