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To be sure, adam is totally right that's what the courts are for. mr. obama has to abide by the courts as well. >> that was murray's point is that the regulations are onerous and costly and lead to higher utility bills price them out of business. >> before this segment today this show i would have said i think mr. murray is making a great point but i learned today that from adam and ben that the economy is doing so much better so who cares if a couple guys like this go out of business. we are doing so much better than eight years ago. >> you're a very vindictive thin skinned individual. >> he ...

>> let me make this one point. you can put about ten economists like ben stein in a room and they will give you ten different answers. i will tell you -- >> but not too many, lawyers and established actors and american icons. >>'s special lay it last point. >> to infinity. >> ten different answers. two things to point out. david rubenstein who runs the carlisle group, they kind of know about business creation from a different level than some economists looking at it 30,000 feet and saying the unemployment level is at 5.5%. those are the type of people i'm talking at. i did speak with david rub...

>> all right. >> it's ridiculous. >> i mean -- >> i've actually seen sketches of considering folding chairs. blood clots, bad backs, misery. i got to tell you -- >> the airlines are not going to do anything to injure people because they'll get their pants sued off them. i fly a lot. >> they switched me from first class to coach and it was from here to arizona and i really thought -- my back was broken. i mean, it's crazy. they can't get smaller. >> in a business, if you want a better seat you have to pay for it. >> what's this thing if you're fat, do you still maintain that deal? >> one martin...