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The tort system and extortion system that's out there today in health care. and there are a lot of ways to fix that. but i just went through last night, if you add up what thompson reuters, which looked at all the studies that have been done and combined them in, they say between $625 billion and $850 billion a year of health care dollars are wasted. so it seems to me if cost is the number one thing that's keeping people from getting care, then the efforts of us, as we go after cost, ought to be to go to those areas where the cost is wasted. and there's a philosophical difference in how we do ...

>> kimberly: it's got to be measures richard that make sense and aren't arbitrary, right? there's something that makes sense. i think you have to be multifaceted. multifacet add approach. you have to have the rhetori rhetoric -- multifaceted approach. you have to have the rhetoric there. you have to have realtime intelligence being developed. you don't get the information back -- it's memorial day. >> dana: also because we know that these people that have committed these -- the self-radicalization, every single one of them has been on the radar screen of law enforcement at the some poin point ...