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Was. will he stay with it despite his push back. if that's the case, that does add credence to your theory. this is calculated and looking ahead to 2024. >> exactly. >> it's different like what you said. when he early on was defending the vaccines, the people booed i am and he backed off. at the bill o'reilly event, a few people booed him and he pointed them out and told them to stop it. in this interview, he stayed on message. that's something new and again i strongly think let's talk about one little stretch. we used to talk about the philly suburbs. let's talk about the suburbs that matter ...

Fair, relevant to discuss the struggles of the civil rights movement with what happened in t house yesterday? >> honestly, i find this to be infuriating and disgusting. it goes to prove my point. i've always said in the democrats' aim of chess, chess of power, black americans have always been the ponds. they figure out, how can we make them emotional, how can we make them angry. democrats believe black americans are stupid come on so absent any facts, if they dangle the terms of the civil rights movement, if they like and something to the civil rights movement, if they smart smear somebody as ...

Happened in that house yesterday? >> honestly, i find this to be infuriating and disgusting. it goes to prove my point. i've always said in the democrats' aim of chess, chess of power,ve black americans have always been the pawns. they figure out, how can we make them emotional, how can we make them angry. democrats believe black americans are stupid come on so absent any facts, if they dangle the terms of the civil rights movement, if they like and something to the civil rights movement, if they smear somebody as stupid, we are supposed to jumpht up, be angry, and run ino a burning house to s...

>> julie, this tape and the statements following it, this most recent one, it doesn't add any credence to the existence of any tape of donald trump saying the "n" word per se. it does add credence to the fact that it appears, if this tape is what it is and this tape is -- we don't know the could ntext o what happens before or after what is recorded as has been played. of course, we don't at this point. it does add credence to the fact it appears the campaign was concerned enough about it to have a call about it. where does the back and forth now put people? >> right. i think it's important for...