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absolution from history. when you seek absolution from the atrocities, what you do is simplify those in the present. it's no coincidental that we're having this conversation about tulsa and having this conversation about january 6th or we could say this conversation about charlottesville or this conversation about charleston or this conversation about el paso or this conversation about pittsburgh. the vector of hatred moves through history that's transmitted by denial. >> yes. >> so we're talking about this, it's presumed we're coming from a critical place. we're coming from the place of salvation in an effort to make sure we don't see them repeated add inif i my tum. we don't want people to say we're having the 150th, 200th, 250th commemoration of what happened in tulsa and the complicated, compounded atrocities that will have happened in the intervening times. >> absolutely. coming from a place of

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