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So the women want to hear women talk. we're interested in each other's conversations. >> but joy, you said that's where women got their news. and i know you're right statistically speaking. but in fairness, a lot of it as is a lot of punditry today, it's not news, it's opinion. and it becomes very difficult for the average consumer to distinguish between the two. especially if they turn on the tv five a week and see comfortable, familiar faces who do make them laugh, who do tell them something they didn't know. >> yeah. >> and i think that's really -- it's a little bit dangerous. frankly, when...

And i know you're right statistically speaking. but in fairness, a lot of it as is a lot of punditry today, it's not news, it's opinion. and it becomes very difficult for the average consumer to distinguish between the two. especially if they turn on the tv five a week and see comfortable, familiar faces who do make them laugh, who do tell them something they didn't know. >> yeah. >> and i think that's really -- it's a little bit dangerous. frankly, when i come on, it's republican polls for somebody else, democratic strategist. but we don't always know every ax that everybody is grinding out t...