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A little baby is black or hispanic instead of white and they believe it's wrong to abort a little girl because he's a girl instead of a pwoeufplt this is not rocket science. this is not something we should struggle with as a nation. >> reporter: by the way, none of the penalties in the bill would apply to the woman who seeks or has an abortion. franks says it's more about the people who would council her or provide an abortion based on sex or race selection. jon: you can't touch on the issue of abortion without bringing out the points. what are they saying? >> a number of prochoice groups have...