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Fanatical group that they are directing their attacks against certain people and they're very well organized this is not just some ill organized outburst that's taking place. they're well organized, militarily trained they're trying to get inside every government in the world and we're not facing up to that. you've got to have a policy that says i'm out to destroy you if you're out to destroy me. you can't just ignore it. >> wayne, doesn't he have that policy? didn't he say his policy is to destroy isis? >> but, juan at what point do words matter? >> guys, john first. >> it's to degrade and ul...