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C-section. it's incredible to see. thank goodness for the experienced staff there that you have, danielle. this has been a difficult process over the last few years, the last time you delivered a chimp, that was in 2019. the baby turned out to be stillborn. how concerned were you that things were going to turn for the worse here, as well? >> there's always that risk. you know, you don't know when to intervene and when -- you don't want to do it too soon or too late. but like i -- like you said, we have a very experienced staff here, and we knew what we needed to do. you know, with the sadness ...
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