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By michael avenatti about all of this. first, how does this battle go down when all of it can involve the trump organization, the history of the apprentice? before that, i bring in tara dardell, a democratic operative. you've lived many lives. there you are. >> there i am. >> when you look at this and cohen's involvement in the trump organization, what do you see as key in this fight. >> what's key for trump is all about the pr, all about the spin, all about the deny, deflect, attack. as far as cohen is concerned he's going to have to be very careful, because i'm not a lawyer like you, but i t...

Pelosi. they can come over. they can bring whoever they want. but the lawmakers have to sit down, and they have to do something. we were given a lot of bad cards. one of the bad cards, we were given this immigration mess. >> here to talk about what we just heard, robert costa, national political reporter for "the washington post," moderator of washington week on pbs, and jeremy peters, political reporter for "the new york times." gentlemen, welcome to you both. so, jeremy, it's kind of pivot, deflect, blame, find fault, keep on going. a, tougher to make an argument that the democrats can fix i...

Rulings against the obama administration. they talked about inhumane treatment. i read them. i looked at them. their policies stink. they're no good. they have no ideas. they have no nothing, the democrats. all they can do is obstruct and stay together and vote against and make it impossible to take care of children and families and to take care of immigration. they have to sit down. i'll be certainly -- i'm willing to do it. i've just told you i'll invite senator schumer and nancy pelosi. they can come over. they can bring whoever they want. but the lawmakers have to sit down, and they have t...

National political reporter for "the washington post," moderator of washington week on pbs, and jeremy peters, political reporter for "the new york times." gentlemen, welcome to you both. so, jeremy, it's kind of pivot, deflect, blame, find fault, keep on going. a, tougher to make an argument that the democrats can fix it when that's what you said about the last thing you fixed. and, b, is there an end game here, or is it a game of rolling grievances? >> i think if you look at history, brian, the end game with immigration has been the status quo for three decades now. every time congress has t...

Was there an attempt to obstruct justice? that is a legitimate area for the president to push back on. >> this is a long list. you have 13 russian nationals charged, three russian entities charged, three trump campaign workers cooperating with the investigation. nina, your rebuttal to the senator? >> now they are underlings. before they were top officials working for the president's campaign. the fundamental point here is the president, along with all the folks supporting him, are trying to muddy the waters and deflect, deflect, deflect. the bottom line is whether it's russia or any other fore...