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Ways to navigate through this a little bit more adeptly. >> i've got to ask you this last question on behalf of parents of all young children. coming out of pfizer, from the internal review, saying it seems as if the vaccine for children under the age of 5, the trials that they were watching and testing didn't necessarily turn out the way they wanted, in that there was really no protection for young kids because of the number, the levels to which these vaccines were being administered. and they're going to have to go further, go at least until march to add on a third shot. to see if that's eff...

In a pandemic now a year after the presidential election and that, you know, it's hard for polling to measure, but those issues around enthusiasm and around how the country is doing are really also important drivers. you have a combination. you have a good candidate on the republican side who is skilled and adeptly tried to balance distancing himself from trump so he doesn't turn off swing voters, and yet appealing to the trump base, trying to kind of have it both ways. he said he's campaigning for all virginians. he's campaigning for all republicans and republican leaning independents and try...

Lawyers, you know. do you think it's possible that he manages to navigate this adeptly, or that his side of the story proves to be the more believable? >> there is also, john, other witnesses who will be relevant here. jeff sessions apparently was in the room. jared kushner was in the room. and from press report, it sounds like there is more to hear from admiral rogers and odni director coats. so i think that will also be telling as to who you would believe in a situation like this. >> but by james comey's own admission, there were never more than two people in the room, the president and jame...

A lot of republicans. he said nobody in iowa wants trump for president, but everybody in iowa wants somebody like trump for president. >> rich. >> that's what you need. >> it's clear he's not going to disappear in a cloud of pixie dust as many people thought and i don't think there's any clever way for the establishment to take him down. it's very simple, another candidate is going to have to find a way either to outmaneuver him or to just, frankly, beat him in the argument. and if no one can do that, yeah, you better man the lifeboats because there's some significant chance he'll win the nomi...

Sound. let's listen to that. >> especially the muslims are really raising heck right now. they want us to change our whole country to suit them. if they don't like the united states, get out of here, take your camel and beat it. >> well, you know, people are so frustrated and angry with the immigration situation. let me say that one of the most important things about this nation is that we judge people as individuals. so i'm not willing to condemn any group of people. i'm willing to judge each individual. >> you see there carly fiorina handling this question much more adeptly than donald trump...