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that concern is not because donald trump is, you know, the captain of protecting democracy it is because he is not. y he wants to govern, we have heard it, a lot of the concern is there. i think when it comes down to it, absolutely, after labor day when more voters are tuned in. and a strong choice for this election. it will be more and more clear for what independent voters and swing voters decide the selection. a small sliver, i think it is clear what they will end updoing and vote for joe biden. >> and i think cortez said, i would be under biden than trump. given what trump said we may

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and that concern is not because donald trump, that the captain of protecting democracy. it's because he's not. he'll want to govern like the authoritarian. we have heard the words come out of his own mouth that we have seen what he has written on truth social. so that's where a lot of the concern is. i think when it comes down to it, yes, after labor day as they said when they are tuned in when they are really looking at what is at stake and the strong choice they have in this election, it will become more and more clear what independent voters and those swing voters that ultimately decide the smallest part of the electorate is pretty clear what they are end up doing and they will vote for biden. >> yeah, congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez had a good point when she said at the end of the day, i would prefer organizing under a biden administration on foreign policy than i would trying to organize under a trump administration. given what trump has said, we may not be able to organize

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Morning Joe

back in the presidency? i think it's a very powerful -- that's a very, very powerful argument, and i think it will play with at least a subset of undecided, swing voters. >> well, it certainly should. a critical question to be answered by those undecided voters over the next six months. thanks so much, charlie. thank you to the "washington post"'s jackie alemany for your great reporting, as always. greatly appreciate it. >> great to have you all this morning. one of the throughlines to what we've been discussing is the notion of character. it is really going to be playing out in the trial we'll be watching this week. joining us is a woman who worked for the 41st president, jean becker, author of "character matters: and other life lessons from george h.w. bush." it is great to have you on the show, jean. i love the timing for this book. i feel like it is going to

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Morning Joe

>> no, we don't. >> i don't think so. >> okay. >> yeah. >> donald trump has been charged with 88 felonies and found liable for sexual assault. if trump is too big of a liability to get a job at your local mall, he is too big of a liability to be president of the united states. >> wow. let's bring in the executive director of the republican accountability project, sarah longwell. great to have you on the show this morning. i do think that it's unknown how things might change for trump as these trials drag on, especially the one he is in now. that ad kind of crystallizes some of the challenges he faces straight ahead. what are you seeing in terms of the liability for president trump with the cases that are still in the future? >> look, as you know, i do focus groups with swing voters and voters across the political spectrum every week. one of the things we could see is that because donald trump has so many charges against him, there are so many different

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a small difference could make a difference. >> peter baker, great seeing you, i appreciate it. >> thank you. joining us former congressman, and msnbc news political analyst, carlos, good to see you, sir. a new nbc news poll shows trump with two points ahead of president biden, essentially, statistically tied. what is significant in the most recent polls is that the president, president biden, has actually been going up. he was down five points in january. now they're essentially statistically tide. -- tied. how do you see this dynamic changing or do you see it changing as the trial continues? >> jose, i think that as donald trump is more in the news and certainly he is, again, dominating the news. that is going to cost him with the swing voters, with the independent voters that peter was talking about. we're transitioning from the

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Trump on Trial New York v. Donald Trump

candidate on trial. we were in uncharted territory. on his face, the traditional rules of politics would be, yes, of course this would be damaging. normally swing voters don't say, i didn't vote for the guy last time. now that he's on trial, i should vote for him this time. that wouldn't be the logic you would expect in the political world, but a lot of people thought he would lose traction when he was indicted that. didn't happen, not among republicans anyway. you're right to point out this is a general election, not a republican primary and the people who haven't been willing to go for him up until now are swing voters, middle of the electorate might find this disturbing. a small number say they might back away if he were convicted at one of these trials. that doesn't have to be a lot to change the outcome. we know it's going to be a handful of states that matter, and in some of those states, the votes could come down to several tens of thousands of votes.

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Trump on Trial New York v. Donald Trump

primary process where trump's base was extremely sympathetic to him, where people who were voting in those primaries viewed him as a victim, as someone that the left is persecuting, we're now transitioning to the general election. and the target audience is much different now. it's a very specific number of voters, pragmatic voters, swing voters. voters who may have voted for trump in the past, and then voted against him. they are the ones that are going to decide, and those voters are less tolerant of this kind of chaos, of all of these controversies. they're less prone to think of trump as a victim and more to view him as an agent of chaos. those voters who will decide this election, they're not going to be as sympathetic to the victims argument. that's where they could start hurting trump. >> i agree and also just the fact that, you know, polls are really just snapshots of a moment, a very specific moment

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Ayman

>> for donald trump there is not a political calculus but he is used to getting away with all things. he expects it to happen in this case. he believes he is above the law and started his entire life. the only people who are going to not budge -- we knew this before the trial began. they are going to be his base. outside of that, the maga base he will not win an election off of but he is going to have a moderate and swing voters. he's going to have to have suburban women but there are several vote still left out there. they are going to be shape what goes on the courtroom. they are paying attention to the ways in which he is holding himself and the ways in which he is trying to intimidate those who are sitting in the jury pool and the ways in which she is retreating and doing other things on social media to showcase his support of people who believe i can and attacking these individuals.

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does it hurt him politically? that he does is for his base of people that might be voting for him? i know the democrats want to stay away from this. because they want the wheels of justice to spin as independently as possible. but he shows no sign that he is going to stop violating his gag order. he has gone after the judge and the witness multiple times on his failed social media website. what is the play? that he continues to be treated differently than any other defendant? and undermines the justice process? >> there is not really a political calculus. he is used to getting away with all things. he is expected it to happen here as well. he believes that he is above the law. and he has his entire life. but i think the only people that we are going to not budge. we knew this before the trial began. those are going to be his base. outside of that. they cannot win an election off of. you will have to have moderates you will have to have swing voters. you will have to have suburban women. there are several votes still left out there. they are going to be shaped by what goes on in that courtroom.

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