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Biden to fall over the next several years? >> it is a great question because let's remember the merrick garland biden justice department has appealed the ruling by the british court that assange should not be extra dikted to face trial. so they are standing, at least so far, you know, full scale behind this -- the indictment of assange. they want him in u.s. custody. and one of the wrinkles in the piece that's kind of interesting is basically, you know, when they were talking about abducting assange, they didn't have a criminal indictment for him, so the white house pushed the justice departme...

Person that tries to put myself in other people's shoes, what would i do in that sipuation. so i think i started to do that with him. thinking if i were him, what would i want? and, so, for me, my child was important to me. and that's one of the first questions that i asked him. was, you know, did you have children? i asked him why he did what he did. another first question that i asked him. and just tried to spark conversation with him. >> and he had just had a baby a few days earlier. so he was a new father. you were a mother, as well, and are. and one of the things that we didn't know about...