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Credible fear, 80% of them that's 8/10 will lose their case because they are presenting fraudulent claims according to tom homan, form early of i.c.e. your take on what the u.s. should do with these caravans headed to the border? >> i completely agree with the president. we need to change the laws and close these loopholes we need better barriers no doubt about it but the fact of the matter is we reward people for coming to this country illegally because if they get in here they're able to stay and listen as trouble some as these caravans are the fact of the matter is maria on an average day l...

Loop holes that are being exploited. we incentivize to come here illegally. they get in because of the loop holes. once they get here because of the adjudication process, the endless a people process, they're able to stay and creates incentives. that's why we've seen a surge of unaccompanied children from central america because of the special treatment they get. we've seen family units because of the special treatment they get. what we need is we need consequences. we have examples of exactly how this works. when michael chertoff was faced with coming in 2008, 33,000 brazilians came, in explo...

Federal government? >> the federal government has a very successful way of reuniting the families. the challenge we face is the law in 2008 was well-intended. in many cases children were being sexually trafficked across to the united states border and they were victims. so congress said let's separate them quickly and put them in the h.h.s. facilities for their protection. that created an incentive for coyotes and the human traffickers to say hey, let's take your children and push them across the boarder to get them out of your country. along the way we find in many cases they are sexually and...

And senator feinstein. i think it is a hopeful sign that you have ted cruz and dianne feinstein working to the on this issue. >> you are an attorney who favors due process. when the president is out there saying we don't need these judges we need enforcement that's going to fine these people turn them away and send them back quickly, are you saying that the president is out there advocating a violation of due process. >> due process is best served by having jade indication, that means increasing the number of immigration judges significantly. i think we can do that. i hope we can do it in a bi...

Have already been returned. that is good.they do that within a week. i would expect that pace to pick up that they have the pipeline going. i think is very important to keep the nuclear family together, however, we also have to respect the rule of law and borders. i think it would be a mistake to release these families into our country where many of them disappear it would mean we do not have a border, we do not have rule of law, it's important that we do both, all three peer protect the family, protect our borders and the rule of law. i think that's where were going. >> would like to see chan...