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Because if he doesn't sign it, it -- they expire. >> right. >> the other end, they're going to have to raise the debt ceiling again. and there the president's going to have to go to the republicans who are not going to want to raise the debt ceiling. and so sadly, mika, looks like we have to get through another election year without any real -- >> movement. significant -- >> on the budget, on the deficit, on taking care of the long-term debt. >> the long-term health of this country. >> long-term health of this country. >> we didn't even get to the hhs controversy, which you addressed on "meet ...

That will roll into arizona and michigan and super tuesday. obviously it's taken longer than a lot of us would like, but that's the process. and he'll be better able to handle the general then. >> jeff, let's talk about from republican politics to the budget, what's your take on it? >> well, i wish we'd have a real budget that takes into account the problems we have with entitlement programs and discretionary spending. we were headed toward a fiscal cliff long before barack obama took the wheel. let's get that straight. we didn't govern well as republicans when we controlled both chambers in t...

Know that. >> and just -- i want to put a period on the end of my thoughts with peggy. the bottom line is that this change, peggy, i don't want to confuse you or anybody else, it is, again, a distinction without a difference. and i would believe if you just looking at it logically this could be even more offensive to catholics because what you're doing is spreading the burden to all catholics because now all catholics are paying higher premiums, even if it's slight, but if they do cost -- if contraceptions do cost on average $600 per year per woman, that's not being absorbed by the insurance c...

Of the recovery. the recovery is gaining steam. i know ben bernanke was abject saying, look, we cannot let this go back, slip back to the way it was. bernanke is deeply rooted in 1937. he remembers when you had a recovery and then the recovery died. i don't think the spending's wrong. i do think that the revenue increases simply never get passed. the republicans will never allow anything that increases revenue. >> they're going to put their own budget out i think in the next couple of days, as well. the plan is going to call -- let's look at some specifics, for nearly $4 trillion in deficit re...

Presidential candidate potentially the nominee has kind of the same problem on this issue, doesn't he? mitt romney? i'm just saying. >> i don't know, did he enact a health care plan when he was governor? >> i think he might have. >> and by the way -- >> but underlying the point that peggy said yesterday, peggy you said at the end of the day, this hhs controversy may be remembered because it reignites the debate over obama care as republicans -- >> i sure hope so. >> and forgive me, government fecklessness with regard to how it chooses to interpret the various parts and complexities of obama ca...