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It was interesting because that was a part of a conversation that don had in a meeting and most other people call up and say, by the way, we have information on your opponent. i was just with a lot of people, they say who are you taking a meeting with? >> um, i just don't know really where to start right there. i think all the people that were in the meeting, mike schmidt, should be asked whether they told donald trump they would have taken meeting with russian intelligence officers and with two russian interpreters in the room. that's remarkable, which is going to lead and should lead to a fl...

What this adoption issue is. the adoption is the red herring. what happened is the united states passed sanctions not against russia as a country, as an economy, but against a specific series of russian oligarchs and officials around putin who were accused of human rights abuses and corruption. those guys who are really the russian power elite, they want to be able to send their money a abro abroad, they want to be able to send their daughters and sons to boarding schools in england and their mistress for shopping excursions in italy. the magnitsky act freezes all that. it doesn't allow those ...

That before. >> evelyn -- so, matt, what could that mean? >> what is also unusual you have all these attorneys advocating on behalf of their client when those clients' interests differ from somebody else. as you saw just a minute ago with trump's attorney distinguishing the father from the son. that i don't know what donald trump jr. is talking about. but i know donald trump himself was not in that meeting. they're not on the same page. >> the fallout from this is the policy implications. when it comes to the relationship with russia. we're seeing new developments this morning. but the russian...

Reapplied through -- the state department says no, but the doj, loretta lynch, says he is. why would the state department allow natalia veselnitskaya and when the state department said no? also know about this meeting to make there is indication that the state department even knew this meeting was going to happe happen. >> kat: eric, i want to ask you. do you think this lawyer is dangerous or just a lawyer? >> eric: kat, after she left this meeting, she went to d.c. she was lobbying people in d.c. congress people. she showed up at a congressional testimony. she was knocking on doors for her. i...

Talking about babies and so on. it's tied to the magnitsky act which penalizes russians accused of committing crimes, human rights abuses. this is all tied to big picture issues. so, one, the cut out, this is the way russians do this kind of thing. the way russian intelligence operates when it's dealing with foreigners and cultivating sources. two, even if both issues were consequential, the idea of incriminating evidence against hillary clinton but also the adoption issue is one that russia is pushing for. they want to water down these sanctions. that's a consequential issue that would be som...