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So that disabuses everyone of this idea that he did not know a what might be coming -- may not have known the specific content but he did no it was information gleaned by the russian government in support of donald trump's presidency that he wanted to hand over to donald trump jr., number one. and number two, that there was no surprise about who this -- where this was coming from, that it was official government information. this is stuff that donald trump jr. that's contradicted in the last few days. >> you're absolutely right. it's stunning and to be clear, you know, as this lawyer describes...

This ted cruz amendment may be looked at, but this is not going to be something that can add the yes votes to the tally we have now. >> always keeping your eye on the tally, the numbers and the votes. a stunning revelation from donald trump's son. he had a meeting with a russian attorney who said she had information that could help the campaign and dirt on hillary clinton. let's talk with our cnn political commentators about it. former white house communications director and ben ferguson. ben, what do you make of that? >> morning. >> morning. >> i think it's a simple meeting where they had i...

Was said. when they say, when donald trump junior says this meeting was originally supposed tonight about adoption or ended up being about adoption. that's not really what the adoption issue is about. as you know. the adoption issue is about the fact that -- >> sanctions. >> yes. that the u.s. passed a law in 2012 saying they could sanction individual russians basically for human rights abuses. and putin in retaliation stopped the adoptions of americans of russian orphans. that's an american legislation. when she's lobbying or wants to talk to him about doadoptions, e wants the sanctions lifte...

Than i have. we wouldn't take those meetings. secondly, why would they meet about adoption issue in russia? that doesn't pass the smell test. you are going to say you had a meeting with a kremlin official about digging up dirt on hillary clinton. these three people? nothing here makes any sense. you know, a graduate at a junior college in crisis management would say you need to get the facts out immediately. there's one reason they haven't done that. the facts are not there. >> perry, what is the impact of this. the denials for months, what is being learned now. it will continue on. this is th...

You say that that's basically what he's saying. but he hasn't said that yet. but most people understand that the reason why this adoption issue was a problem in the first place was because of these sanctions. so i think it's going to be just to be an ever-deepening investigation. and it makes it really hard for the white house to say that this russian investigation, all this talk of russia, is something that's just going on and there is no real teeth to it. >> there is also the suggestion, mark, that this was some russian lawyer. this was a very well-connected russian lawyer who was doing the ...