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Hold power to account. and so when the president, you know, repeatedly says we're the enemy of the people, the question then becomes how do we respond to that? one response would be adversarialy. the other would be to say this is what we do, we're here to serve the public. and reminding them of that by not only necessarily showing them the president's attack but -- >> charles, let me go to you because one of our former colleague and friends david frum knowing in hez local paper the coast guard shooter in the into indictment was in the local section. and he took that as a sign of kind of the no...

Is going to have to come from somewhere. how do you increase the structure that increases the likelihood of regulators and prosecutors acting as independently and frankly as adversarialy in certain circumstances to the industries it's regulating. we clear have not gotten that right up until now. >> distinguish between two periods, we're coming out of a period of reckless deregulation and efforts to defund lots of agencies, we have to understand how that led to the bubble and the crash. the response to it has been -- going forward over the last couple of years. dodd frank was really one of the ...