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Involved in a program that was lawful at the time. >> larry, thank you very much. i know it's a very challenging conversation to have, and i appreciate you having it with me. >> absolutely. thank you, alex. appreciate the time. let's bring in democratic congressman denny heck of washington, member of the intelligence committee. a good welcome to you. i just called you denny as if we were totally buds. congressman, sorry about that. your reaction to that conversation. >> well, first of all, i want to remind you, alex, that the last time i read article one of the united states constitution, th...