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Loyalty, seems to idolize him. with your clear knowledge of president what does that tell you about how this presidencies the world in general and this investigation when he says he wants his roy cohen? >> well, i think what we have to understand is that donald trump comes from a very different political culture than the rest of washington. he's a new yorker. new york, the tough guys win. the tough guys put it out there. donald trump respected roy cohen for his toughness, for his frankness. a lot of people did. you know, roy cohen's life after his work for joe mccarthy was one that a lot of pe...

We give the employer reform and the form basically says, i comply with the following policy. and it says, i will not discriminate on the basis of and then it says something like race and creed and gender and sexual orientation and actually veteran status as well. and if the employer signs the form, the employer can get the services of the office of career services. and if not, not. >> okay. so it wasn't a political statement on your behalf at all? you weren't trying to tell the world what harvard law school thought about this policy? >> it was not, senator graham. i was just trying to defend a...