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Factor to fight the second revolution. what does that mean? i don't understand -- how can you say you are for liberty and freedom? >> i have a great grandfather that died and another one captured in the battle of atlanta by sherman. and they wanted to be as independent of the american union as the founding fathers. they wanted -- >> so they could keep slaves? >> jefferson wanted to keep slaves, and washington wanted to keep slaves. >> 600,000 americans are dead because you wanted to keep slaves. your founding fathers had slaves. >> yeah, that was wrong. >> and they wanted to be free -- >> the ...