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Need this kind of progrowth tax reform agenda and work out the details in the same way ronald reagan did with tip o'neill with working across the aisle. governor romney has a proven record of being able to work across the aisle. >> chris: there are a lot of questions from independent people how do you pay for it and you refuse to say how you will pay for it? >> we will pay for it by eliminating deductions and loopholes and making sure for the middle class that protecting the home mortgage deduction and other important deductions for them but at the high end you would eliminate deductions and a...

And still preserve these important preferences for middle class taxpayers. >> it has never been done before. >> it's been tone a couple of times, actually. >> it has never -- >> jack kennedy lowered -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan -- >> let's bring in david cay johnston to sort it out. pulitzer prize winning journalist and author of the book "the fine print: how big companies use plain english to rob you blind." david cay, great to have you with us tonight. >> good to be here. >> isn't ryan supposed to -- you bet. isn't ryan supposed to be the brain of the romney campaign and w...

Admitted that they made assumptions that were not part of mitt romney's tax plan. there are six or seven follow-up studies that say romney's tax plan can do what the governor has said he would. he's going to eliminate or cap deductions on upper income brackets there is more enough in the basket of choices there to take care of providing the to 20% tax reduction to the middle class. >> no, there are not. >> with all due respect to what obama people are putting out, they're wrong on it. >> i'm not talking about what the obama people are talking. first of all, those are not six or seven independe...

President? why would it be obvious that you would want to fudge that? >> i think it's nuance but going to the back and forth between what, you know, the u.s./u.n. ambassador said and the state department and white house there seems to be mixed messages and you want some sense of clarity or that the president has his hands around this thing and i thin probably that's the worst thing that comes out of this, although i think a lot of people would say look, it's the fog of war as p.j. said. you know, john, the other thing is as mitt romney, he's going to make some sort of big foreign policy addres...

And yet, you want to balance the budget. the math doesn't add up, does it? >> actually it does. the good news is that five different economic studies, including one at harvard and princeton and aei and a couple at the "wall street journal" all show that if we bring down our top rates and actually go across the board, bring down russell yates rates for everyone in -- rates for everyone in america, you can keep the progressivity in the code, remain revenue few neutral and create an incentive for growth in the economy. >> brian: you may he made his case in. >> he's got to make his case. you have ...