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It was very frank and forthright. i stand up for australia's interests. i make australia's case as powerful and persuasively as i can wherever i am. >> so, richard, so i know you worked in both bush administrations. this is the sort of tactic george h.w. bush would take, right? >> whenever aeign policy says a conversation is frank and forthright. this is probably one of the countries in the world -- i say one of the three closest to the united states. australia and britain. >> they fought by our sides for a century. every war. >> ally. >> amazing ally. >> this is an interesting case. here you ...