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Is the odd man out here in this testimony where his account isn't lining up with what vindman and others have said. >> let me get toobin to react. go ahead. >> just because two witnesses have different recollections, it doesn't mean one of them committed perjury. it certainly would be good grounds to bring sondland back and ask him some of these questions again. it is important also to emphasize that the e-mail traffic very much supports the vindman and hill view of what happened here, not the sondland view. but it is also important to remember we haven't seen the full transcript of any of the...

Heard for the first time from someone who was actually listening in on the controversial phone conversation july 25th between the president of the united states and the president of ukraine. how significant is that? >> well, i think it is very significant for a couple of reasons. one, i mean it takes another process argument off the table for republicans. they've said a lot of the witnesses are just -- it is hearsay, they don't necessarily know what they're talking about. this is someone who was on the call, who heard the president speaking to the ukrainian president and after the fact aired t...

Specifically said a memorandum of a setelephone conversation i not a verbatim transcript of the question. i ask the question because we are told that president zelensky was speaking in either russian or ukrainian. >> sure. i was the director at the white house and part of the job during the calls is to take contemporaneous notes, that you can compare them with the situation room. i will say in lieutenant colonel vindman's written statement at least he did not suggest anything in the public record differed from what he saw. but the big takeaway for me, wolf, is someone who served on the nationa...