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Something. go on, gloria. sorry. >> so the question is you have a he said/he said. and cohen's credibility is in question. roger stone is a serial exaggerator. we know that. >> that's a nice way of putting it. go away. >> i thought so. then you have trump kind of in the middle here. >> right. >> probably saying that never happened. i have no recollection of it. that phone call never occurred. so i think it's less convincing, and i think that there's a lot of groundwork that needs to be done to kind of uncover that. of course today roger stone said, you know, that never happened. >> jack, let's...

Threatened to kill somebody. he killed one witness, prepare to die, expletive. right, so when prosecutors and agents see that the first thing they think is this is not a guy we can trust really to turn himself in. maybe he was kidding. perhaps it was hyperbole. let him explain after he's arrested. you don't take that chance. i think in this case, it was entirely appropriate for prosecutors to ask for the arrest warrant for a judge to issue an arrest warrant and for the fbi to execute the arrest warrant. that's the way we do it. >> all right, well what if at the end of all this he says this is ...

Straight shooters. i think in those cases the word is lie. >> at the same time, eliana, you made the point to me off camera a lot of trump fans are in on his exaggeration. they know some of his what i think of as lies are just trump being trump. how do we square that circle? >> my first boss in journalism made the point the me assume that readers are smart. so the lies that are so obvious to us i think are obvious to most trump voters. they understand he is not a truth teller, that he is a serial exaggerator. yet they agree with him on some of the small grains. they understand his fibs about t...

Cohen and all the other stuff of the week. >> not what any president does when they have a great quarter like this. same style of let's get an event before the newscast. >> for good reason. >> he did oversell it. >> he deserves to go out and crow about the state of the economy. >> did he eversell it? >> he oversells everything. he's a serial exaggerator. president obama had quarters better than this quarter. >> he can't ever get his facts straight on this. nobody had ever done this, ever. that's not true. >> on the other hand, you know, if -- to the degree to which this continues, we know from...

I'm not the only one he told. but he never met with him. >> you're casting him as an equal opportunity exaggerator and liar and told different people the same false story and now is getting in front of that. >> yes. >> i want to look at cohen as well. i want to play two things you've said about michael cohen which are interesting. number one, in february you said -- >> i remember this. >> -- you said you were concerned. this is before everyone else knew what we know now. >> i worry about michael. i'm not going to say michael's going to lie. i worry about michael. >> you were worried about mich...