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Call that. i don't know what that quality is. but i think he carries that in spades, and people sort of gravitate towards. that >> and i think in this case is for better. >> i think many, i think it's interesting to a test case, because when you look at back to the 2012 election when you saw barack obama beat mitt romney. what was actually a pretty tough political climate. coming out of the great recession. polarizing the election on this sort of class dynamic, like he is kind of the guy that comes in and liquidates his factory and -- and on the guy that comes in and save gm. that was affectiv...

They are the ones who are actually victorious, at this point. >> ambassador president biden, at this point, are saying that u.s. intel sharing with ukraine stories are quote, counterproductive. until from your, story would value could actually be derived from intentional leaks? or of the really just gone too far as of now? >> katie, we have seen some value in some of these leaks, prior to this. we have seen leaks that suggests that the russians are going to try to conduct a false flag operation. do something in blame it on the ukrainians. we have seen deterrence. when we expose, it that says t...

Among western intelligence officials that vladimir putin may do something to commemorate may nine, not just because that might be something that would be expected in russia, but because of how poorly this war has been going. what are your thoughts on this? >> well, first of all obviously it's been going poorly that's a fact they couldn't reach any serious strategic objectives. same with many operational objectives we, they failed. the fact that we started to the comfort of that which means that -- and so on. it doesn't mean that there of affective and achieve results. so, the fact that this ha...

André it's good to see you, thank you for being with us again. look, there's a perception among western intelligence officials that vladimir putin may do something to commemorate may nine, not just because that might be something that would be expected in russia, but because of how poorly this war has been going. what are your thoughts on this? >> well, first of all obviously it's been going poorly that's a fact they couldn't reach any serious strategic objectives. same with many operational objectives we, they failed. the fact that we started to the comfort of that which means that -- and so...

In 2022? you talked about the news getting a little bit tighter on donald trump, but is it really going to be that affective, as we saw in the bin gaza investigation? >> i feel like there are two standards that we look at when it comes to these type of hearings. there is what the republicans did, frankly since that sly with benghazi. then there's would happen with the mueller report. how that gets viewed as a dad, in a lot of peoples perspective. the fact that the chairman of the committee, bennie, thompson's come out and said that they are going to be here. there seems to be a timetable that ...