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With regard to the anthem and taking a knee, the president has created this wedge. if you actually dug back to it, colin kaepernick first asked a veteran, what is the most respectful way to show protests. and someone told him, taking a knee is what you do at a cemetery when you're at the grave of a fallen soldier. but that nuance has been lost in translation and that is what president trump is the best at, these three-word slogans, and they work for him. while it might make no sense, it might be unethical, it is a winning strategy. >> before we wrap up here, i want to touch on one other remark...

White house. and i think back to soon after president trump was elected when the first family did an interview with "60 minutes" and that night ivanka's own pr person sent out, ivanka is wearing a bracelet from the ivanka trump line and they soon said that was a mistake. she's gotten a huge amount of flack. especially from the likes of me for running that business while she's urging as senior adviser to the president. guess what, we said she should shut her business down. it's a conflict and she's doing it. >> can i get you to weigh in on that point. just kind of walk us through it. >> look, s...

Brand. the president of her company announced it in conjunction with ivanka trump. august is when they usually do the planning for the next year. the company, according to miss trump, she's claiming the brand did well. we know in the last 18 months, both hudson bay and nordstrom stopped carrying her stuff. the sentiment is basically miss trump plans to stay in washington in the near future. wants to focus all of our attention there. remember, she's gotten a huge amount of pressure to shut this company down. it is made in america week. she doesn't make any of her products in the united states. ...

Either see the conflicts or the conundrum or something she wants to rid herself of. or some combination of those. you know, i don't think he can always disappoint to the one factor in these kinds of decisions but clearly committing to washington and committing to washington in a way that washington requires people here to behave, right? she's committing to the rules of washington. >> remember, the tariffs, the tariffs are wide spread. and there's been talk that ivanka's products were going to be carved out of that. she wasn't going to be subjected to that. if that isn't going to be the case lo...