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>> well, i think we're talking about two different things here, wolf. what is a threat to the united states and two, how is al qaeda and affiliated groups doing around the world. on the latter question, in places like hoob irk and syria is building the truck bombs described by senator feinstein and enjoying a renaissance in both countries. the next question is to what extent is that a threat to the united states. for the moment, these groups are being very focused on overthrowing the assad government in syria or the largely shia led government in iraq and shown no willingness of an attack to a...

Bombs, trucks being reinforced for those bombs. >> i absolutely agree that we're not safer today. for the same very reasons. so the pressure on our intelligence services to get it right to prevent an attack are enormous. it's getting more difficult because we see the al qaeda as we knew it before is metastasizing to something different. >> let's bring in national security analyst peter bergen joining us right now. one of the things that dianne feinstein just said, she said when she said that we're not safer than we were two years ago, there are new bombs she said, very big bombs, trucks being ...

In yemen, they've taken a lot of heat. in mali, they basically controlled half the country in the beginning of the year and now they don't because of the actions of the french army. in some place there's doing well and some places not so well. >> what is the status of al qaeda right now? not just al qaeda led by ayman al zawahiri, the successor to bin laden, but the al qaeda affiliate groups, those groups that support al qaeda may not necessarily be well coordinated but they sort of pledge their allegianceton al qaeda. >> well, in syria, they control much of northern syria. that speaks for its...

Mostly get away with? >> well, let's look at it from a distance, alex. you know, dry runs are real. they did them in 9/11. they did them in the london train bombings. they did them in many other terrorist attacks. we know dry runs are real. al qaeda is noted for planning, planning, and planning. so are their affiliate groups. but -- so the thing is, an alert passenger is always going to be a safer passenger and report it. trying to sort out this orlando flight one is kind of tough. is that really a dry run? you know, rodger makes a great point. if you look at the dry run in 9/11, nobody detect...

Design by the leaders of al-qaeda including usama bin laden and aymanal al-zawahiri, and the idea is when the corporate structure of the headquarters is hurt, that the wider network is still able to carry out attacks worldwide. this is what they're doing right now, and it shows that their strategy has paid off. and so al-qaeda is far from dead, in fact, it's very much alive. we're looking right now at al-qaeda 2.0. jenna: have we adjusted our strategy accordingly? >> well, i don't think so. i think the real answer here has been to go after the affiliate groups in a bunch of different places, i...