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Attacked a popular restaurant in the capital that killed at least five people. so this is a country that has had a tesch length past, particularly with al qaeda affiliated rebels in the northern part of the country, joe. >> ayman, do you know how much of an american presence, how much of a european presence there is in the capital and in mali in general? >> well, and mali in general. >> we have a general picture, not sure how many were at the hotel. we can tell you here's what we hear from official news media and state. there's a chinese presence in the country and chinese hostages at the hote...

And they haven't seen much help, that now they've become full-fledged jihadis. very difficult to know where this is going. >> that's part of the issue. whether or not the u.s. or other allies jump in and try to intervene. because it's very nebulous. it's very -- we don't know who we'd be harming, ultimately. >> this war, morphs, i would argue, every three to six months. so you had a year plus ago, you know, farmers and engineers and defected soldiers just looking for shotguns to defend their villages. and now, especially in the north here along the turkish border, areas i used to visit -- >> b...

They didn't start providing the support that might have made a difference early on. i hope it's not too late. but, you know, possibly better late than never, but i'm afraid it may be a little too little, too late. >> what should be the limits on u.s. support? >> well, let's start with trying to secure a safe haven for the good rebels, the ones that are vetted, that actually are, you know, pro-democracy as opposed to the al qaeda affiliated rebels and, you know, it's looking like we'll probably initiate some kind of no-fly zone near the jordani iaian bor. >> and you're okay with that? >> yes. t...

And that is what led the french government at the time to support a military campaign. now, since that military coup, the government has been reinstated to a democratical transitional government although many believe that the military still controls power, but right now it seems that they have managed to retake control of the north, they still struggle with some of these al qaeda affiliated rebels, but for the most part, since that french military campaign, the northern part of the country has once again been reinstated under the control of the central government in bamako. >> all right. thank...