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Of people and the control of affinity groups and self interested groups. i don't think you can really separate them. often times politics and surcharging, politics and religion go hand in hand. i know we need to do that in the face of trying to get people from killing each other, but i think archbishop tutu's price and genius, especially under an apartheid government, which saw itself as religious, he was able to talk through the false dichotomy, especially the dysfunctional kind of politics, as well as dysfunctional religion, and i think that was one of the great legacies he will leave behind...

Church and politics? often times, we have this false dichotomy _ church and politics? often times, we have this false dichotomy between i have this false dichotomy between politics and spirituality. one of jesus's famous quotes, which i think fits with politics, is, wherever there are two or three, i am in the midst of that, and politics is basically the gathering of people and the control of affinity groups and the control of affinity groups and self interested groups. i don't think you can really separate them. often times, politics and spirituality, politics and religion go hand in hand. i ...

There's been the nationalization of local government as well, national level debates are being pulled down into school boards, you name it. we need to have a grassroots action. we need to get everybody into motion again to reclaim our own voices and to kind of mobilize and work together and remember that we're americans first and foremost, not these different identity or affinity groups. >> but what do you do, dr. hill, when those local fights are being run by at least on the right, the school board fights are being populated by the far-right disinformation? so in some ways, the grassroots is ...

Schools should not force children into a perverse racial classification system but allow them and their families to define their own identities.

Realm. we've lost our sense of our communities. there's been the nationalization of local government as well, national level debates are being pulled down into school boards, you name it. we need to have a grassroots action. we need to get everybody into motion again to reclaim our own voices and to kind of mobilize and work together and remember that we're americans first and foremost, not these different identity or affinity groups. >> but what do you do, dr. hill, when those local fights are being run by at least on the right, the school board fights are being populated by the far-right dis...