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If you make a statement either affirmatively or negatively about donald trump. >> i said why do you have to go to bedminster? why would you have to go to bedminster to do it? you have to think about it. you have to weigh one against the other. same thing with the pastors. >> right. >> hold on, before you jump in. you said they don't have to go. we both looked at each other and said, no. look at athletes, many did not want to go to this white house. >> there are celebrities who didn't go who i think were right not to go. i think if you go, you have to go under your terms and your conditions. i ...

Statements by folding the council and making those statements at the time. think that had an effect. also when they're getting invited to sit down with the president, they have to do that. i don't care who the president is -- >> you have to go to bedminster, though? >> no. >> that's the thing -- >> he went to the golf club, right? it wasn't like they -- >> if they wart mere at martha' vineyard. when the president invites you go to the president's table -- >> no. >> if your calculation jour life looking out for shareholders' interests. what's extraordinary about charlottesville is how many ceos...

To reach a fair and impartial verdict in this case. of course, no one responded affirmatively. they have moved on to private and personal questioning. the main goal, of course, to get a jury and handle this case, this most important case for the special counsel and the russia investigation, paul manafort, the former campaign chairman. >> joe, quick, lay out the -- >> reporter: he was the campaign manager. >> you can call him whatever you want at this point. lay out the stakes for paul manafort if convicted. he could spend the rest of his life in prison? >> reporter: absolutely. enormous stakes...

Imposition. rudy swims in three different lanes in the pool, right? he's outside counsel for the president, so on the russiagate, he speaks affirmatively. he's a 30-year friend of the new yorker, so he speaks as china helps his friend. then he's rudy. he's always used to having a microphone for his opinion. as a presidential candidate, a mayor. just rudy. >> rudy is doubling down on what he said about stormy daniels today, so let me play part of what he said. here it is. >> the business you were in entitles you to no degree of giving your credibility any weight. she has no reputation. if you'r...

Even if you eliminate one person the files will survive for the next time. is secondly, the team below mueller is not going to be terminated. i know some of the lawyers. those guys are brilliant. he is -- the esteem he goes on the job. the congressional support to continue the investigation if the president ever does anything. i think this investigation will go on even if it gets ugly. and i is expect it will get uglier. >> try as you might, you cannot be uglier, phil mudd. >> i do. i agree with my good friend phil. if you look inside the fbi, the focus of an investigation, counterintelligence...