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Tom steyer, thank you very much for making the argument for your campaign tonight, dealing with what happened with pun why are thank you forring in but here is what is and was and is fairly obvious. what happened in ukraine. we're seeing not one but two attempts to distract from from and demystify the issues afoot. next! at bayer, this is why we science. tell him we're flexible. don't worry. my dutch is ok. just ok? this man is very bendy.

Them in the business. they're on this. all right. let's talk about what's going on here from the bumpian perspective. how do you see what is playing out? >> i think the key thing for people to keep in mind here is there's been a lot of focus on this phone call in recent days, in part because we've learned the most details about that, in part also because we have direct evidence including from trump today that he was involved in this conversation. but it's important to remember that the early reporting suggested there's part of a pattern here, and i think that this reporting bolsters that idea,...

These institutions. this unhappiness with institutions did not start with him. but he certainly likes to put a fire under that. and, you know, we need those expertise, right? they're very important to the infrastructure and the foundation of our republic. but, you know, there is a move afoot, and i would argue within both parties to not trust them. i don't think that's a particularly very good thing. >> i just wonder why there wasn't republicans challenging the president on that. the president claims to protect the troops like no president in the past. of course republicans will often say that...

I'm grateful for his valued friendship over the years. others have gone on to say whatever you make of the timing of this is that something more potentially sinister afoot. that is the mueller investigation potentially wrapping up. this is a way to force either that report or to force something else. what do you think? >> don't read too much into it. it's clear that jeff was on his way out the door. attorney general sessions was on his way out the door. everyone recognized that. so the timing. i expected it. i expected it promptly. >> neil: everybody did. i didn't know in it would be today but...

Convention in cleveland where there was this never-trump effort afoot, to put a new candidate on the ballot, all of this stuff. manafort back to the florida administration the last broker convention. he was brought in for a specific reason on a very specific task to be a delicate counter at the convention of what could be potentially an effort to undo the delegates, change the rules, he had done dole's, ford, reagan. you can claim all of the other business issues about him or tax issues, but when it came to understanding the delegate to mass and convention system, this was the right guy. >> ha...