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He can attack pence politically. what he cannot do is threaten or intimidate him or anyone else who might be a witness in this trial so that they might change their testimony or be too scared to truthfully and effectively show up in this process. that will be a tough job for the judge, but i'm sure he's up for it. >> you're channelling potter stewart, i think. it's the old pornography, i'm going to know it when i see it, it's very hard to define exactly what we're talking about that would run afoul of the order that enabled his release. you get the final word. >> so what's going to matter here...

Party that is not part of that trump thing, this is what we stand for and what we need to go forward with. >> reporter: for someone like governor kasich who watched in realtime as he was part of the 2016 field that really watched the republican party shift around him, this voter is right, that there is attacks on anyone who goes directly at the former president. it's why chris christie is one of the lone voices along with former arkansas governor asa hutchinson, and making this a referendum on his leadership, the way he dealt with attempting to overturn the election after he lost it and, of co...

Robert. ahead of monday's standoff over what former president donald trump can and can't say about this case, trump's lawyer john lauro argued that the former president said nothing wrong. >> we call it a sham indictment. and the man that's doing it, i really believe he's mentally ill. >> reporter: ahead of what could be a contentious courtroom battle, former president trump slammed the indictment brought by special counsel jack smith. his legal team is planning to ask for a motion to dismiss the charges in the january 6th case. >> this is what's called a swiss cheese indictment and has so man...

Had one information system, you had one not completely widely shared notion of reality. and so there was -- it was possible to run afoul with the mainstream political consensus. and there just isn't any more. i think so often with donald trump were in this kind of -- world. and his followers and supporters are there with him. so that there is no shame for, example. he ran in 2016 ranting about hillary clinton wiping servers. and now has been indicted for the same thing. it's so interesting. on friday we were all expecting a january 6th indictment, and then this was kind of an anti climax. but ...

Illumination and guns and bells, this is parts of our american tradition, if you don't have a big public display. you will have independentu oneswi, they might turn more dangerous and cause environmental fallout that i think they are trying to head off, i don't like this, this is ridiculous, any time you get the governmentin regulating something that is a one day a year celebration, and america's birthday, it runs afoul of the spirit was not only thee country but the people, and they a will celebrate with fireworks no matter. >> last month disneyland in california had huge fireworks displays f...