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gets politicized, right? that is, what i think we are seeing here. that is very dangerous for our future. even if he is convicted in this case and even if he loses the election, because this is the kind of stain that doesn't go away with just one trial. you know, kim, it also has a long, there is a real long arc to this point when he became president, i think you first alarmed general kelly, constantly talked about my generals, my generals he meant john kelly and humid madison, they weren't the country's military leaders, they were my generals. i remember him saying in an interview with the new york times that he wanted his kennedy at doj, he viewed them as being on the team of the presidents they serve, which, of course, is ridiculous. he talks about my blacks at his rally, and incredibly derogatory thing to say about his african american supporters. it everything is the possessive

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the autocrats playbook. and worse yet, he is trying to read the legitimate the courts that are going to convict him while actually praising the ones that may not so i want to contrast what you are saying in this case with what he is saying about judge cannon in florida, who had main really many rulings in his favor. so what he is doing is not just the legitimating the justice system. he is doing it selectively and he is suggesting that every judge is on the red team or the blue team and therefore, you can only trust the red team judges and not the blue team judges and that is kind of a, it serves to make the justice system look like ordinary politics. again, one of the things autocrats do is they collapse the law into politics. there is no base where the rules of law and where the facts presented are the determinative outcomes in a political matter. everything

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comment he made, the way he was described leaving the courtroom, they're going to look for every single opportunity to politicize this and create spectacle and that makes it all the more difficult. i think going back to the jury, we are talking so much about how this is unprecedented to have a former president on a criminal trial. but i have to say, those 12 people are in an unprecedented position. never in the history of this country have we had people sit in the jury box in this type of situation and also in an environment with this type of pressure. i will take your point that the folks that are in the jury box are largely people who went in clear eyed but i think even if they have gone in clear eyed they don't know what to expect here because we have never had a political climate like this and just look a couple of years ago when the intelligence community was backed by the full force of the federal government and everything that goes into protecting intelligence community members was maliciously outed by people in retributive fashion. i worry about that. i think they're going to need to take extraordinary measures in this case.

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i don't think i am even eligible to serve and yet i am here and started to tear up about the circumstances of that conviction. again, a sidebar with the parties, whereupon judge mershon learned that while she could be eligible to serve, if she had a certificate of her release, that it would depend on the circumstances of each individual case whether she could serve as a juror and at that point, he excused her and she walked out and she had the best line of the whole day, cheerfully she sang out, good luck, because she knows exactly what those who have been seated are in for and you could tell while she was trying to do her civic duty and comply with the law she was none too happy about being there or ultimately faced with the prospect of serving on a jury and was relieved to be released. >> under pressure is perfect, that is what it felt like particularly as you watched all of the tragic events unfold outside the courthouse. take me through what happens

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like their normal political supporters, what they like, what they don't like what policies they like. page one of tyranny by timothy snyder talks about the power that is given away. so it would appear you put that lens over this, the power that is being given away is the power to hold donald trump to the same legal standard that any of us would be held to. >> right, i agree completely. i think one of the difficulties here is that many people can see that donald trump is simply getting away with more in the context of our ordinary criminal justice system. almost any other defendant would be, for reasons that your prior guest suggested. it doesn't look like he is being held to the same standards but there is also another problem going on here, just like donald trump did with an election that he knew he was going to lose, i think he sees ahead to the fact that he is going to lose this case and whatever other trials, criminal trials brought against him. and so what he is trying to do is to the legitimate the whole process and that is a page from

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monday. >> on monday, we will start opening statements, at 9:30 we will have those 12 jurors in the box, those of us who are on a designated list for press, me included for this network, will be in the courtroom itself point that is different from the last several days of jury selection where we had to be somewhat insulated from the perspective jurors and the prosecution will get there opportunity to go through their theory of this case. you know that in the press, we refer to this case is the hush money case but they have maintained throughout that is really not what this is about at all that is only the antecedent to the climbs that they have charged, 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in order to commit or conceal another crime. i should note that the intent to commit a crime obviously would be one that donald trump would want to commit himself. the intent to conceal another crime, that could be somebody else's crime and here in this instance, you know the district

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damage being done or more every second phase you can see it in the actions and the fear of prospective jurors, some of them so frightened or intimidated for doing their basic civic duty that some or moved to tears in the courthouse as it were today for fear of retaliation. you can see it in the way the disgraced ex-president lies about the case and everyone involved in it. most of all you can see it in the way he has conditioned his followers to distrust anything and everything outside the hermetically sealed maga bubble. executive director of protect democracy described it so eloquently to us like this. >> i think perhaps one of the most dangerous that we face is the unleashing of termites in the foundations of our system that trump and his allies unleashed by sowing doubt in the trust that we have historically had in our institutions, by suggesting that courts can't be trusted, that juries can't be trusted, that every actor here is acting

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steel order could be one that he uses and likely would be one that he uses to attack credibility of the court and to raise the temperature on things. i think the judges want to bring calm to chaos, calm things down, keep eye on the ball, let's get this trial done and let's not worry about sideshows and i think donald trump is all about disruption and chaos so creating all of this sideshow is part of his game plan and so even if the judge takes the bait and jails him i think there is some concern that the judge is taking his eye off the ball which is getting this trial to a verdict. >> always thought about the road to is paved in trying to game out what trump will do. right? so trump is going to, he already has 80% of his supporters do not believe in the legitimacy of these charges and these are facts not really in dispute by donald trump. and unlike the mar-a-lago case word trump is running on those facts, residential records, you can do it. and the january 6th case, before

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long-established and you can see that in this case and those 34 counts to go far beyond just the stormy daniels case and the hush money. there was a catch and kill conspiracy alleged here, timed around the election. this is a much bigger story to be told and i think one of the other things that lisa noted that is hanging over this entire trial is that we know donald trump has always had a dog whistle but he has got a dog whistle packed with dynamite and every luck he makes, those stern cases she described as he left the courtroom, going person by person, that is not accidental. he is not excited to look those people in the eye because he wants to invite them to christmas. people are worried that every move in that courtroom is designed to potentially intimidate the aspects of the justice system that he believes are conspiring against him that is really alarming and the judge is going to be walking a difficult tightrope this entire trial. we just remind people what trump does people that make him mad.

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service, on behalf of all of your colleagues. thank you for joining us. it's extraordinary that this is where we are. to lisa's last point there, the facts are established by trump's own justice department, michael cohen sentencing memo it feels like some of this is sort of getting back to established had never been in dispute. >> it is getting back to established facts and sort of in keeping with lisa's lyrical reference. >> please [ laughter ] >> you would look at this case and say this guy is down bad, okay? there are 34 counts against him. it would appear that he is guilty as sin, but at the moment, he is out of the slammer and justice doesn't happen in a fortnight and we are going to see, starting monday. >> i am not worthy. >> the tortured poetry of his attorneys but no joking aside, i think the facts have been

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