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like their normal political supporters, what they like, what they don't like what policies they like. page one of tyranny by timothy snyder talks about the power that is given away. so it would appear you put that lens over this, the power that is being given away is the power to hold donald trump to the same legal standard that any of us would be held to. >> right, i agree completely. i think one of the difficulties here is that many people can see that donald trump is simply getting away with more in the context of our ordinary criminal justice system. almost any other defendant would be, for reasons that your prior guest suggested. it doesn't look like he is being held to the same standards but there is also another problem going on here, just like donald trump did with an election that he knew he was going to lose, i think he sees ahead to the fact that he is going to lose this case and whatever other trials, criminal trials brought against him. and so what he is trying to do is to the legitimate the whole process and that is a page from